Great Britain Philatelic Society

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It looks to me like a block used for printing an illustration in a book. There are some actual machine cancel dies about, but AFAIR they're not flat, but curved (due to the nature of the cancelling machine mechanism), and they're all metal not mounted on a wooden block. Also, of course, they have ch...

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A listing of these now on the GBPs site at

http://www.gbps.org.uk/rates/inland/redirection.php

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What they could be in that context is something from an internal docket for postage due, a method of accounting between offices -- in the same way as many nicely cancelled high values are. Even if that's a correct guess, I don't think it would be accurate to think of them as sort of "substitute...

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Not yet! I believe these are delayed due to deadline issues -- i.e. making sure all the reports from the Diamond Jubilee event were available for this edition.

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It looks convincing to me, and if so would be an excellent find. Well worth submitting for a certificate? I'm not sure the impression would necessarily need to be prooflike -- for comparison I attach a picture of the March 1869 example, which was shown at a GBPS meeting a few years back (the April 1...

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Regarding the "why did SH continue to print the 6d?" question, I'm not a GV expert either, but to the best of my knowledge, this was a consequence of the fact that the 6d was heavily used for fiscal purposes (the "revenue" part of the "Postage & Revenue" inscription...

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Can't help with a picture, but a full sheet was 240 stamps, i.e. 12 panes of 20.

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Harvey wrote:Ron, If you go to http://home.comcast.net/~dr_paulr
you may well find the answer to many of your booklet queries.
Our esteemed Newsletter Editor (the new one!) is as dedicated as you on the booklet front.

New link for that is

https://sites.google.com/site/gbstampbooklets/

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1/7/75 is correct, Alexios. There are a few first day examples around (unfortunately I don't have one!).

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Posting test.

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I've had the commercial cover illustrated here for about 20 years -- more or less since it came out of one of the sacks of book club mail that were sorted through by members of the Torquay Philatelic Society. It has a cachet of the Isle of Ulva with a wolf's head in the centre ("ulva" mean...

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Peterd123 wrote:Sorry, for some reason the message did not list. I would like to know what the gum type is on the £1 PUC. And if it is normal for the gum to go brown.

As far as I know, all these early 20th century stamps were gum arabic?

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As far as I know, the basic use it was introduced for was to pay the second step parcel post rate: http://www.gbps.org.uk/rates/inland/parcels-1883-1966.php That would have allowed the lowest three rates to be paid with a single stamp, and all the rates to be paid with no more than two stamps. It al...

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Can anyone explain the manuscript entries (usually at bottom left of front panel on mails) "Speed" and "With Speed"? The implication is that the item is to be delivered post-haste yet the postal charges I've seen do not reflect other than standard delivery services. It may be si...

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Just an addendum: I believe it was quite a common practice to draft the reply to a letter on its blank space, so that you had a copy of the reply on the same sheet when you filed the letter away. Could this be what was happening here?

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Apologies to Dave ("Seahorse") -- in deleting the duplicate posts I inadvertently deleted the original as well. Text follows: "Some sort of memorandum to himself" I think you have it there. The explanation is maybe the simple one that once he had taken action on something, he cro...

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My point was that until relatively recently -- say the last 30 years -- as I understand it there generally wasn't such a thing as an explicitly followed mark scheme, things were a bit ad hoc. So we had the concept of a "Gold Medal country" which (to borrow a phrase from Geraint Jones) was ...

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As far as I can tell, Tony actually has it the wrong way round -- the big money exhibits have always been more likely candidates for the top prizes, and the "research route" alternative to high marks is something that has really only come in over the last few decades?

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Post Office Circular 22nd May 1940 p237 PAPER SHORTAGE – RE-USE OF ENVELOPES “In the interests of economy, it has been decided to allow envelopes to be used again for postal purposes, provided that old stamps and stamp impressions and the original addresses are completely covered with white or very ...

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Seems to be another of the fairly random boxed cancels used on stamps that missed cancellation -- not sure if that was the original intended purpose, or whether they were just pressed into service as such but originally intended for something else (telegraphs?).

A couple more examples attached.

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Can't help with Whitehouse and Pike (both sound vaguely familiar, as I should remember them, but I don't), but "Maximus" was the name used when Ron Lee (a founder of the GBPS) auctioned off his collections. I've never heard that he collected 20th century GB though, although I might be wron...

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Robin -- sorry, I meant to send you an article on this machine mark, but I forgot to scan it. I'll dig it out when I get back home.

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The only thing I can suggest is that from round about the start of 1838, the mileage was charged on the basis of the shortest distance by public road, not (as before) on the distance actually conveyed by the Post Office routing which could be quite a bit longer. So it's quite possible that this resu...

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Posting a reply at the request of the man himself:

"The answer is Lower Walmer/Deal is listed in my book under Deal with full details, dates, on page 187,
Stanley Cohen"

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As it happens, I have a 1933 PO Guide! This turns out to be a highest weight step parcel at 5s 9d -- parcels were sent via Belgium and Germany daily, and the rates were: Up to 2lb weight -- 2s 6d 2lb to 7lb -- 3s 3d 7lb to 11lb -- 3s 9d 11lb to 22lb -- 5s 9d There was an airmail service, but that wa...

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The number and style of wavy lines was originally whatever the manufacturer of the (single-impression) cancelling machine decided to use -- this format was used by the "Universal" machines, "Krag" used five bars, "Hey-Dolphin" varied. The dater dies were even more disti...

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It wasn't disposed of, so would have made its way back to the sender, presumably because the Glasgow Returned Letter Branch opened it to get his/her address from the letter. "Not found" would usually refer to the address -- since the Post Office deliver to that rather than the addressee, p...

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If I could determine what attitudes you're referring to, maybe I could explain them. Unfortunately, the post seems to go all around the point without ever crystallizing into something definite ... What particular error or errors aroused your ire?

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I did a piece on these for the last Newsletter, so you're not the only one they strike as strange. Unfortunately I didn't have any more specific information than you do -- i.e. it was purely based on observations of the things -- but there are very many bizarre combinations! If the actual cachets ha...

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It won't be a Departmental overprint because that whole system was scrapped in 1904. It looks vaguely like a specimen-type overprint, but a fake seems very likely.

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A question for UK-based members only, I suspect: do you by any chance keep back copies of the postal rate leaflets that the Post Office issue when the rates change? I'm currently trying to collate a basic listing of British inland rates for the purpose of putting it on the GBPS site, but the referen...

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Excellent! Thanks Bob -- just what I needed.

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Can anyone supply the date that the charge for redirection of mail outside of the local delivery area was abolished? It was late 1890s, as I recall, but it's one of those things that for some reason I can never, ever remember accurately or find a reference to when I need to use it.

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"S.O." was (and is) a standard and frequently seen abbreviation for "Sorting Office".

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Possibly this, Chris? There are various indexes on the Journal pages:

http://www.gbps.org.uk/publications/journal

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I took a look in that catalogue earlier and couldn't find an illustration -- very useful to have the information though, I agree!

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Does anyone have examples of (or images of) the Wilding 6d coils -- preferably the coil leaders? I'd like to get pictures for comparison purposes with a view to commenting on the use of this stamp to uprate registration envelopes in 1956 and 1961.

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I believe the L1 postmarks were used to indicate the late fee period in which the letter was processed, not necessarily that a late fee had in fact been paid. With this cover the "Too Late" mark suggests that the sender paid it at quadruple rate, but didn't manage to get it posted before t...

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That rate looks correct to me as far as I can tell from the book. There don't seem to have been many airmail sample rates to anywhere.

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Presumably he mentioned them as one of the common types of non-letter mail. Or maybe because in section 4.5 on the next page, describing the 1960s airmail newspapers service to Europe, he says "Since the introduction of combined rates in 1930 there had been no special air rates for other classe...

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According to Michael Furfie's book "British Civilian Postage Rates of the 20th Century", after the introduction in 1930 of combined airmail letter rates (i.e. including both air fee and ordinary postage) there were no special air rates to Europe after other than for postcards from 1932. So...

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http://www.gbps.org.uk/boards/images/transferred/1556_1.jpg The recent pieces in the Newsletter on the subject of the wartime Philatelic Import and Export Control sparked my interest, as the stamp trade during and immediately after the war is one of my "collections within a collection" (o...

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As George King pointed out when I consulted him about a GVI item, basically embossed dies are listed under envelopes, and letterpress dies are listed under either postcards or newspaper wrappers, regardless of what they were actually used for -- moderately confusing but at least it keeps all the typ...

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Best bet is to contact Alan Huggins, Colin Baker, or George King for full details. However, if I remember correctly dealers at the time prepared quite a number of variants on different types of paper, and at least one started referring to the varieties as different varieties of stamp, presumably to ...

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Yes.

Although I got your message the first time ...

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Somewhat stream-of-consciousness thoughts below! (Only just avoided posting one silly comment when I took a closer look.) Yes, the cover's fine. 'Posted out of course' does (or did) mean exactly what you say when referring to registered mail (you could also have posted out of course parcels, I under...

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That's quite a nice one (pity about the stains). I think the station address is coincidental and it's not a parcel -- it's a 'railway letter'. That was a concessionary express service which allowed a letter to be speeded up by being put directly on board a train going to where it was addressed. It c...

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Psst -- the Delaware cancel is actually 17th May. :) "Returned for Postage" is a US mark -- presumably this was someone at the US news company creating a philatelic cover by using recently-issued foreign stamps and seeing what happened. (I guess new issue supplies would have had time to ge...

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Yep, 12:15am is a quarter past midnight -- it's before noon, after all! -- and 12:15pm is early afternoon. A large post office like Birmingham presumably would be cancelling mail in the middle of the night shift (the time slug on the machine wouldn't change throughout the run, of course, so it might...

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Yes, that's normal -- printed matter was also referred to as 'second class mail', and a similar rule applied as for current second class mail, i.e. it could be held over in order to process more critical letter mail. Circulars posted in bulk (which is what this would have been) had to be posted by a...

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